Updated System Config

[Malice]

I would like some suggestions for what you would consider to be the best rig you can get for about $2-3k. That needs to include at least a 19" LCD. This isn't for me so just calm down D-Bone. Particular things I would like to get your opinions on are things like Dual Core or not to Dual Core and also 7800 or something lower but in SLI? This will be a game/workstation. And...GO! :happy:

[Rehn]

NO SLI! :p

Any Samsung 19" LCD would be fine, for gaming 930b is great!

1 7800 is better than 2 6800 " In some cases" in SLI. So save the money and go with a 7800

I am an Intel guy, but it?s really what you are comfortable with.

Best place to get pricing would be Newegg.com.

Hope that helps.

[D-Bone]

I will try and post later, too busy right now. 12 machines in yesterday...

[Malice]

I will try and post later, too busy right now. 12 machines in yesterday...

Listen, you just make Chicken the Kid handle those and you take it easy again. He's your whipping boy, so WHIP HIM! :p

[D-Bone]

Ok, eating lunch, lemme add my 2 cents in here. I'm sure you already know my answers though.

Processor: AMD 64 obviously. (why would pay more for less speed Rehn? ;)) Not sure about the dual cores though, I haven't researched those much, and Anandtech appears to be flaky right now. There are alot of articles here about dual core: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/
From my initial scans of the articles, it appears that dual core and single core perform almost the same for gaming and they really only seperate when it comes to multi-tasking. If you going dual core though, the one to buy is the Athlon X2 4200+ since it has 1MB L2 cache. Then here is a nice article explaining all the different AMD cores and other confusing things: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2418&p=1

Video: I also agree, a single 7800 for now, should be great. Here's a nice article for that: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2451

Motherboard: Asus, nforce4 ultra chipset, the one i have rocks of course.

SATAII hard drive, large size (Anandtech just did a review of 3 new ones, Link: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=2454 )

At least 1GB of RAM, blah blah blah, you know the rest.

LCD: We've discussed this already but I'll say again, Samsung or Dell, but you really need to see them in person because visual quality is subjective. Read: http://www.anandtech.com/displays/showdoc.aspx?i=2428

And then when you are done reading all those articles, here is a mid to high end buyers guide to look at: http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.aspx?i=2426&p=1

Almost forgot the case! Uh, P160 of course!

Is that enough to keep you busy the rest of the day? :)

[Dante]

And when you're done reading all those articles, you can read this: http://www.stinkymeat.net :twistedevil:

[Rehn]

I am just more comfortable with Intel. To many issues with AMD, but like I said it is just my opinion. :)

[D-Bone]

To many issues with AMD

You better have a paladin with a strong fire resist aura standing next to you if your gonna say things like that. ;)

:flamethrower on:
Do tell, what are these many issues you speak of? I and many many others I know have been using AMD processors for quite some time now and have yet to see an issue that was caused by an AMD processor that was then fixed by using an Intel processor instead. I find that many people who make that statement are referring back to the K6 days of AMD of almost 10 years ago. Now, I will agree that AMD had some issues back then. BUT, it is no longer the case. Any short time reading reviews will tell you that the AMD platform is just as viable as the Intel platform in todays market. But, I would still like to know of these many issues that I have yet to hear about.
:flamethrower off:

:)

[{OOE}Death]

I am just more comfortable with Intel. To many issues with AMD, but like I said it is just my opinion. :)

I sense a disturbance in the force.
I think I can speak the most about problems with AMD. I've not killed one permanently...yet. Since I built my first gaming rig way back with a K6-2 something. Overclocked the hell out of it. I was out running some of the other guys Intel boxes. No problem with it at all. As a matter of fact I finally retired it just a few months ago. Then I went to a K7 slot A 700. I killed it I admit it. The screw driver slipped ok. I resoldered the resistors on it and it came back to life. Did I mention that I was/am overclocking it as well I got a slow one that would only do 900. Then I went to a Socket a 1600+ running OC'd as well. That's Terri's gamer now. Then I moved on to a Barton 3000+ running some where around 2.4 gig ish. I've OC'd everything I've ran. And I don't mean nicely either. I've ran all of them massivly over volted. Haven't had any stability problems with them. They run at 100% CPU folding 24/7. I mean don't get me wrong I've ran Intel in the laptop for a couple of years or so. It will do 3.4 easy. But it over heats and and gets flaky at that speed. But hey it's a laptop with a 3.06 P4 and a MR9700. If any one of us should have had problems with an AMD I think it should be me. Hehe they don't call me Death for nothing. :wave:

[Dread]

Malice I can get you a hookup if you want. My Uncle works at the Walmart in the Co Springs area. Just let me know if you want it, I will let him know.;)

[Rehn]

AHHHHH Flame War! :wave: :D

Ok this is my issue with AMD. They do not make there on chipset, which causes a ton of compatibility and stability issues. Now I am not saying that all AMD machines are bad. There are some great machines out there. However the K7 line was hard to deal with along with the k6 line. At the time when K7 was AMD?s Flagship, Intel started to implement a metal Heat Spreader on the Processor. That tackled the issues of heat, and crushing of the processor core. AMD still has an Issue with heat today but it is getting better. In the AMD 64 line they implemented the heat spreader which in my opinion is a great move, Bettering the heat management, and absorption.

However AMD primarily relies on third party manufactures, to build their chipsets, which is the root of all AMD issues. Having to outsource your chipset makes for compatibility problems, it has been proven to me many times. The issue that I come across with an AMD machine is not the processor it?s usually the Chipset.

Like I said this is all my opinion, If AMD made their own Chipsets then I would be all over them, until then. Hello Intel. Plus when it boils down to performance, there is not that significance of a speed difference. We are talking about 4-9 FPS with games. Well if it is running over 60fps I can?t tell what is better.. You know what I mean? Anyways, I see there are a ton of AMD lovers in this forum. That?s great. I did not try to step on anyone?s toes. :p

-Rehn :twitch:

[Dante]

Plus when it boils down to performance, there is not that significance of a speed difference.

Except when the price comparison of the two comes down to AMD being half the price of an equivelant Intel processor. ;)

[D-Bone]

They do not make there own chipset, which causes a ton of compatibility and stability issues.I'm going to have to sort of "disagree" with you there Bob. VIA makes great chipsets. Nvidia's nforce4 is a great chipset. I don't see any problems with them not making their own chipset, in fact its better because it leads to better market competition and choices.
AMD still has an Issue with heat today but it is getting better.Seriously, your insane right? AMD's run just as cool if not cooler than Intel. Have you seen the numbers for the 90nm Athlon64's?

However AMD primarily relies on third party manufactures, to build their chipsets, which is the root of all AMD issues. Having to outsource your chipset makes for compatibility problems, it has been proven to me many times. The issue that I come across with an AMD machine is not the processor it?s usually the Chipset.Outsourcing chipsets? Again I say VIA and Nvidia. I don't think thats called outsourcing. Also, what compatibility problems are you talking about? Give me some hard data!
Plus when it boils down to performance, there is not that significance of a speed difference. We are talking about 4-9 FPS with games. Well if it is running over 60fps I can?t tell what is better..There is a difference! You get equal cost AMD and Intel processors and put them side by side and tell me thats not a huge difference. The AMD solution will be faster.
Anyways, I see there are a ton of AMD lovers in this forum. That?s great. I did not try to step on anyone?s toes. :p Don't worry about stepping on toes, this is what we love! Just ask everyone how much of an ass I can be... ;)

[Rehn]

Outsourcing chipsets? Again I say VIA and Nvidia. I don't think thats called outsourcing. Also, what compatibility problems are you talking about? Give me some hard data!
;)

Outsourcing. (This is what I mean by that) ASUS, MSI, BIOSTAR, PC-CHIPS, GIGABYTE, ABIT. Companies of that nature. They tend to be unreliable.

Issues and Complatibilitys with AMD, to be specific. Well lets try... NOT posting. Not being compatable with a windows load. Random freezing, Random shut downs. I see it all time.

I can honestly say, When I build a System (3-5 time a week). When I build a P4 machine. I can put the whole thing together, close the case, Load windows, and be done with the system. Not the case with AMD. I have to boot the machine after each peice of hardware I put in the machine, Then hope windows will load with no issues after they are all installed. It gets old quick.

[Rehn]

I Love having intellectual conversations. This makes my day. :D

[D-Bone]

Outsourcing. (This is what I mean by that) ASUS, MSI, BIOSTAR, PC-CHIPS, GIGABYTE, ABIT. Companies of that nature. They tend to be unreliable.

Whoa Tiger. Asus, Giga-byte and ABIT make some of the best and most reliable boards in my experience. Now, PC-CHIPS? OMG, tell you didn't just lump them in with the others. Those boards are the biggest pieces of shit on the market. That is not AMD's fault at all. In fact, those same companies make Intel based boards as well! Boards and chipsets having issues are completely different than AMD vs Intel. I've seen problems with boards that use Intel chips as well. Take for instance Giga-byte's 8IE533 board. Normally, Giga-byte makes good stuff but we used about 40 of those boards around 2 years ago. Every single one has since failed in the last 2 years. Is that Intel's fault since they use an Intel chipset? No. same holds true with AMD based systems. If you have other bad hardware, that is not because AMD has a flaw with their processors or design. Its all about picking good hardware, that goes for both AMD and Intel soultions.

[Rehn]

Yes it is AMD?s fault. Intel has its own line of motherboards. AMD should do the same.

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For instance

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ATI makes its own graphics card. But ASUS, and Other OEM?s make them as well. I would rather buy it strait for the source because. It?s been properly tested, configured, and it meets their standard. Giving ATI the advantage.

[D-Bone]

Yes it is AMD?s fault. Intel has its own line of motherboards. AMD should do the same.

Yes, Intel has their own boards and they are good boards. That just goes back to what I was saying about picking quality components no matter what platform you choose. There are quality boards for the AMD platform as well, but just because they are not made by AMD does not make them somehow automatically unreliable. The Asus board I have for my AMD is rock solid, no problems at all. Just because Intel makes their own boards doesn't mean AMD has too. Nvidia made a great chipset so ATI decided to do the same. How popular is that ATI chipset right now? It's not. I would prefer that AMD stick to making killer processors and let the guys doing a good job on chipsets stick to that as well. By the way, I can't let this go... You built systems with PC-CHIPS boards? You can't base anything about AMD off of those because they suck no matter what platform they use. It all goes back to choosing quality hardware, period.

[Dante]

It all goes back to choosing quality hardware, period.
Which brings right back on topic in this thread. Quality hardware, recommendations... for good 'ol Malice.

Stay on topic.

[D-Bone]

Stay on topic.

You the forum nazi today or something?
Practice what you preach Mr. stinkymeat.com

:cool:

[Rehn]

You built systems with PC-CHIPS boards? You can't base anything about AMD off of those because they suck no matter what platform they use. It all goes back to choosing quality hardware, period.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->.

Oh hell no! We do not even carry such an abomination. :eek:
I never once said that I build machines with a pc-chips board. Usually its ASUS board or MSI. ;)

[Malice]

Yeah, actually this topic is better and I already picked out the system so this discussion needs to continue. I have seen some things posted today that really concern me. I have not yet decided if I want to take the time to properly form my argument as to absolutely decimate them with no hope for recovery. D-Bone is doing a decent job but I think there are even more air tight arguments to be made.

[Rehn]

Like I said in my 1st post, this was "MY" opinion. I understand others do not agree with me. But that?s what makes this country so great. :blackeye:

[Rehn]

I have not yet decided if I want to take the time to properly form my argument as to absolutely decimate them with no hope for recovery. D-Bone is doing a decent job but I think there are even more air tight arguments to be made<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->.

Actually there has been some bashing on Intel; But There has not been any hard evidence that AMD is better. I answered all of D-bones questions. Yet he does not reply to them, if he does he picks on the secondary subject.

It is known in the technology field that AMD can be problematic. It is known Intel is marginally more expensive than AMD. It is also known that AMD can be faster than Intel. There is no reason for this thread to get all hot and heavy. I just do not understand D-bones view point, He is in the filed he should be aware of all this. What it sounds like to me is this is all based on personal experience with AMD, not professional?.What I mean by that is, (I am not trying to upset anyone here.) You all refer to ?My machine has been rock solid? ?My machine has no issues? Myself on the other hand encounter this all day. I see what is bad/good.

To be honest I own both an AMD, and Intel machine. Both run great. Why? Because I built them, I knew what to buy, and what not to buy.

I under Stand D-bone is in the same field that I am in, some of you may as well be too. That?s why I am so shocked. But I guess AMD does have its Fanboy, fan base.:pissed:

[D-Bone]

I just do not understand D-bones view point, He is in the filed he should be aware of all this. What it sounds like to me is this is all based on personal experience with AMD, not professional?.

:happy: This is fun. Please don't get upset or hold back Rehn. This is what we love doing, yelling at each other and argueing until the cows come home.

Anyway, my views are both personal and professional. I have seen plenty of problems with Intel systems and Intel based chipsets such as the 8IE533 I talked about. Both platforms have issues if you choose problematic hardware. Thats why I'm saying you can't just say Intel is better just because they make their own boards. We build mostly Intel based systems here. I personally choose AMD because you can build just as reliable a system as Intel for less money and get more performance out of it. You should also know that, "being in this field" ;)

I think we started this conversation talking about strickly the processors and then migrated into full system configs. Let me try and clarify my points on both those subjects.

Processor Only, Intel vs AMD: In my opinion, which I have based on personal and professional and much research looking at data produced by reviews and much testing, AMD wins due to 2 simple things. Cost and performance. AMD is less expensive for equal or better performance than Intel. Heat is not an issue because AMD still wins, 90nm runs cooler. Compatibility ON THE PROCESSOR ONLY is not an issue, they both are equal.

Now, full system configs, Intel vs AMD: You can build a reliable PC using Intel. You can build a reliable PC using AMD. You can build a piece of shit using Intel. You can build a piece of shit using AMD. It all depends on the other hardware you choose. A prime example of that is pc-chips. You can build a POS pc-chips system using an Intel processor. That does not make the Intel platform as a whole unreliable. You can also build a POS pc-chips system using an AMD processor. That does not make the AMD platform unreliable. Intel systems can be just as shitty as AMD if the wrong hardware is used.

In conclusion:
Intel Processor: Reliable, expensive, fast
AMD Processor: Reliable, less expensive, faster

Intel System:
Intel Processor + Intel System board = Good system
Intel Processor + Giga-byte system board = Good system
Intel Processor + Asus system board = Good system
Intel Processor + PC-Chips system board = Piece of shit
Intel Processor + Emachine's = Piece of shit

AMD System:
AMD Processor + Asus system board = Good system
AMD processor + Giga-byte system board = Good system
AMD processor + PC-Chips system board = Piece of shit
AMD processor + Emachine's = Piece of shit

Obviously, these are just some examples and there are caveats to both but hopefully that makes sense what I'm trying to say.

[Dread]

Rhen I agree with you. I have had 1 AMD in my 17 years of gaming. And I had more problems with that PC than any before it or after it. Hell, even the one I ordered was bad and I had to send it back for a new one. Past AMD or Present AMD technology....I'm done with AMD.

If you want zero problems from the start, go with Intel:wave:

[D-Bone]

I have had 1 AMD in my 17 years of gaming...

...If you want zero problems from the start, go with Intel:wave:
Wow, I can't believe you sometimes. You like to argue with me just to make me angry dont you?

First of all, ONE AMD? ONE?!?!? *sigh*

You are not qualified to comment on this anymore. :D

Zero problems with Intel... *sigh* Re-read my posts. You can have zero problems with both platforms if you want. You can also have numerous problems with both platforms. It is not the Intel or AMD processor that makes or breaks the system, its the other hardware with it! :rolleyes:

[Dread]

Wow, I can't believe you sometimes. You like to argue with me just to make me angry dont you?

First of all, ONE AMD? ONE?!?!? *sigh*

You are not qualified to comment on this anymore. :D

Zero problems with Intel... *sigh* Re-read my posts. You can have zero problems with both platforms if you want. You can also have numerous problems with both platforms. It is not the Intel or AMD processor that makes or breaks the system, its the other hardware with it! :rolleyes:

Who said I was Arguing with you? It's just my Opinion based from a real life experience. The only person here turning it into an argument is you.:whoa:

I would still think my opinion is qualified tho. :wave:

[Ghost]

I just want to add real quick that AMD does make their own chipsets. I actually have a system with an AMD chipset sitting behind me. It is a dual proc AMD system, and AMD was about the only company to come out with a chipset for them. AMD does also make motherboards, but they aren't available to consumers. They tend to do the same thing NVidia has done, provide the chip and reference boards, and let everybody go nuts.

Right now the big thing with Intel is it seems that they are finally starting to play catch up with AMD. Intel bet hard with the Itanium stuff, and now it looks as though they are going to be imitating AMD in providing 64 bit extensions.

In terms of reliability, it's almost become a tie race. If you choose good components, you'll generally end up with a stable system no matter which direction you go. With the install base of AMD Athlon core systems out there, Intel really no longer has full control over the core processor instruction set. Anyone who is writing programs low level enough to deal in the differences between the two cores pretty much is forced to test on both CPU types. There really shouldn't be any compatibility problems out there anymore.

What it comes down to is that AMD has pretty much caught up to Intel and they are in a neck and neck race for first place in the PC processor wars. Intel seems to have spread itself out a little far and I think they've lost some ground to AMD. It will be interesting to see in the next couple years to see if they can pull ahead again.

[Rehn]

Nice post Ghost, and Dread...


D-bone you are sick. Something must be wrong with your medula oblongata. :p
I know this is all in good fun. I was not upset one bit. :happy:

[Malice]

Nice post Ghost, and Dread...


D-bone you are sick. Something must be wrong with your medula oblongata. :p
I know this is all in good fun. I was not upset one bit. :happy:

Hehe, yeah there is something wrong with his and most of our medula oblongatas! :cool:

[D-Bone]

D-bone you are sick. Something must be wrong with your medula oblongata. :p

My logic has destroyed you and you now see the error in your ways, this has caused you to try and make fun of me. Its ok, the intial shock usually causes this type of reaction. The first step is admitting you were wrong. Then we can work on recovery. ;)

[Cheesus]

Personal experience:

I've put together 5 systems from scratch, all AMD. Knock on wood, I've never had a problem with any of them hardware wise. I've always used quality components and have even ran a couple of them substantially overclocked. Since I've personally never had any reliability issues with them I'm going to continue to buy AMD simply due to lower prices.

[Rehn]

My logic has destroyed you and you now see the error in your ways, this has caused you to try and make fun of me. Its ok, the intial shock usually causes this type of reaction. The first step is admitting you were wrong. Then we can work on recovery. ;)

This is evidence that I have destroyed your normal thought process. By making you think you have won. But in all actually you have failed, almost as bad as George Lucas trying to convey how Anakin was turned to the dark side. In 3 movies that could have been just one. :wave:

[{OOE}Death]

Aww crap you guys turned nice again before I could poke fun at Rehn for working at CompUSA and thinking he's in the industry. :rofl:
Yes I'm sick and mean. :D

[Rehn]

Aww crap you guys turned nice again before I could poke fun at Rehn for working at CompUSA and thinking he's in the industry. :rofl:
Yes I'm sick and mean. :D

Nice. Actually it is the industry.

[Malice]

Nice. Actually it is the industry.
Oh man, I think this is going to get hot again! LMAO!! :rofl:

If I had only known how good this topic would turn into I would have done this a long time ago. How long has it been since we had 35+ replies to a topic?

[Dante]

Oh man, I think this is going to get hot again! LMAO!! :rofl:

If I had only known how good this topic would turn into I would have done this a long time ago. How long has it been since we had 35+ replies to a topic?
Reaching back in my brain, I think the last hot topic was about movies. But that could have been cobwebs I grabbed back there in my head, instead. :silent:

[{OOE}Death]

Nice. Actually it is the industry.
That's it???? Come on you can do better than that. Just treat me like you would D-bone, or is that like I would treat D-bone. :scratch:

[MasterChoda]

Hey Malice,



U wanted a configuration, well here?s a Configuration! But before I get in to it, here?s my two cents on this post. About the only thing that I agree with Rehn saying is getting a SAMSUNG LCD. It?s the one to get at the moment for response time performance. However at the same time there are several other mfg?s out there that make a very comparable LCD for a lower price compared to the SAMSUNG. (Just messen with you Rehn, each to their own) Although, I do like AMD vs. Intel. I have not had one issue with all of the AMD system that I have ever used, over clocked and assembled for others. It?s just a less expensive solution for price to performance ratio. If things were different I would go with Intel but it?s the pricing/performance. AMD too much Bang for the Buck! I agree with the cowards on this one going with AMD CPU is a better choice. Not to mention the over clocking ability that AMD CPU?s have.

Enjoy,

Choda


Monitor ? LCD

SAMSUNG 915N-Black 19" 8ms LCD Monitor - Retail
Specification:
Brightness: 300 cd/m2
Contrast Ratio: 700:1
Display Colours: 16.2 Million
Display Type: SXGA
Horizontal Fresh Rate: 30-81 kHz
Maximum Resolution: 1280x1024
Panel: a-si TFT/TN
Pixel Pitch: 0.294mm
Recommended Resolution: 1280x1024
Viewing Angle: 160?(H) / 160?(V)
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824001185)

Keyboard ? USB

BenQ x700Pro 2-Tone USB + PS/2 Wired Standard Black/Silver
Specification:
Technology: X-Structure Key technology, Exclusive Design by BMW
Normal Keys: 104
Palm Rest: Yes
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823121117)


Mouse ? USB Optical

Logitech MX518 Gaming-Grade 2-Tone 8 Buttons 1x Wheel USB + PS/2
Specification:
Optics: Logitech MX Optical Engine
Sensitivity: 1,600, 800 &400 dpi Resolution
Processing: 5.8 megapixel/second image processing up to 15 g of
acceleration, Expanded 16-bit Data Format
Hand Orientation: Right
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16826104178)

Computer ATX Cases

1 x Lian-LiBlackAluminumATXFullTower Case, Model PC-V2000B
Specifications:
Case Type: FullTower
Color: Black
Material: Aluminum
Drive Bays: 7 x 5.25", 12 x 3.5" Internal
Expansion Slots: 7
Front Ports: 2 x USB2.0, 2 x Audio, 1 x IEEE 1394
Cooling System: 2 x 120 x 120 mm Fans
Motherboard Compatibility: EXT ATX & pentium 4
Dimensions: 8.3" x 24.3" x 24.6" (WxHxD)
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=11-112-074)

Power Supply

1 x OCZ ModStream 520W Power Supply with OCZ EZMod technology, SATA
Connectors
Specifications:
Type: ATX
Maximum Power: 520W
Input Voltage: 95~132Vac / 190~264Vac
InputFrequencyRange: 60/50Hz
Input Current: 12/6A Output: +3.3V@28A, +5V@45A, +12V@26A, 5V@0.8A,
-12V@1A, +5VSB@2.5A
Fan: PowerWhisper Technology with 120 x 120 mm Fan
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=17-104-155)

Motherboards - AMD

1 x DFI "LANPARTY nF4 SLI-DR" NVIDIA nForce4 SLI Chipset Motherboard
For AMD Socket 939 CPU
Specifications:
Supported CPU: Socket 939 supports AMD Athlon64/64 FX/Sempron
Chipset: NVIDIA nForce4 SLI
RAM: 4x DIMM for Dual-Channel DDR 400/333/266 (Max. 4GB)
IDE: 2x UDMA ATA 133 with RAID
Slots: 2x PCI-Ex16, 1x PCI-Ex4, 1x PCI-Ex1,2x PCI
Ports: 2x PS/2, 10x USB2.0(Rear 6), 2x LAN, 2x IEEE1394a(Rear 1), Karajan
audio module (6 audio jacks), Coaxial S/PDIF input/ output
Onboard Audio: 8 Channel Audio Onboard LAN: Dual Gigabi Ethernet
Onboard SATA/RAID: 4x SATA300 with RAID, 4x SATA150 with RAID
Onboard 1394: 2x IEEE1394a
Form Factor: ATX
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-136-151)

Processor ? AMD # 1

1 x AMD Athlon 64 FX57 San Diego 1GHz FSB Socket 939 Processor
Specification
Model: AMD Athlon 64 FX-57
Core: San Diego
Operating Frequency: 2.8GHz
FSB: Integrated into Chip
Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
Voltage: 1.35-1.4V
Process: 0.90Micron
Socket: Socket 939
Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNow!, 3DNow!+
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819103559)

Heatsinks ? CPU

1 x Thermalright XP-120 Heatsink For AMD CPU?s
Specifications:
Material: Aluminum fins with copper base and pipes
Dimensions: 110 x 125 x 63mm (LxWxH)
Weight: 0.81 lbs(370g)
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=35-109-118)

CPU Thermal Paste ? Grease

1 x Arctic Silver 5, Arctic Silver Premium Polysynthetic Silver Thermal
Compound
Specifications:
Thermal Conductance: >350,000W/m2 ?C (0.001 inch layer)
Thermal Resistance: <0.0045?C-in2/Watt (0.001 inch layer)
Average Particle Size: <0.49 microns <0.000020 inch
Extended Temperature Limits: Peak: ?50?C to >180?C Long-Term: ?50?C to
130?C
Performance: 3 to 12 degrees centigrade lower
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=35-100-007)

Memory - System

2 x 1GB OCZ EL Platinum Revision 2 (2 x 512MB) DDR 400 (PC 3200)
Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model
Specifications:
Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
Type: 184-Pin DDR SDRAM
Error Checking: Non-ECC
Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
Cas Latency: 2-2-2-5
Support Voltage: 2.5V-2.79V
Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820146890)

Video Cards ? PCI-Express x16

2 x BFG-Tech OC?ed NVIDIA Geforce 7800GTX 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 VIVO
PCI
Express x16 Video Cards
Specifications:
Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce 7800GTX/460MHz
PixelPipelines: 24
Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/1300MHz
BUS: PCI-Express x16
Support SLI(Scalable Link Interface): Yes
Ports: TV-Out (S-Video/Composite) + 2x DVI
Support 3D API: DirectX 9, OpenGL 2.0
Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@85Hz
RAMDACs: 460MHz
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814143036)

Fan Controller - Add in 5.25? Control Panel

1 x Cooler Master Aerogate III Black Digital function panel, Model
Specifications:
Dimensions: 150 x 43 x 65mm (L x W x H)
Weight: 320g
Display: LCD
Fan input: 12V/ 1.5A +/- 5%; 5V/ 0.5A +/- 5%
Fan output: <5V (fan completely stopped)12V/ 1.5A
Material: Aluminum Bracket
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=13-999-159)

Sound Card

1 x Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS Platinum PCI Sound Card With,
Live Drive II
Specifications:
Channels: 7.1
Max Sampling Rate: 192kHz
Signal-Noise Ratio: 108dB
Hardware Decode: Dolby Digital EX
Digital Audio: 24-bit
Hardware Polyphony: 64 Voices
PC Interface: PCI
Connectors: Digital Out for 5.1(6-channel SPDIF Output), Line-Out, Line-In,
SB1394/Firewire, Mic-In, Analog/Digital CD Audio In(See Details)
Remote Control: Yes
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=29-102-163)

DVD-RAM / CD-RW Burners Drives (Black)

1 x Lite-On 16X, DVD Dual Layer DVD+/-RW Drive
Specifications:
Write Speed: 16X DVD+R, 8X DVD+RW, 16X DVD-R, 6X DVD-RW, 4X DVD DL,
48X CD-R, 24X CD-RW
Read Speed: 48X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: E-IDE / ATAPI
Buffer: 2MB
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=27-106-966)

1 x Lite-On Black 52X32X52X16 Combo Drive
Specifications:
Write Speed: 52X CD-R, 32X CD-RW
Read Speed: 52X CD-ROM, 16X DVD-ROM
Interface: E-IDE / ATAP
Buffer: 2MB
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=27-106-981)

Floppy Drive / Compact Flash Memory Card Reader

1 x Mitsumi USB Digital Card Reader / Floppy Disk (Black)
Specifications:
Compatibility: CompactFlash I/II, MicroDrive, Secure Digital Card, Multimedia
Card, Memory Stick, SmartMedia
Interface: USB2.0, FDD
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=21-104-104)

Case_HDD Accessory / HDD Rackmount Accessories Kit

1 x LIAN-LI HDD RACK Kit Model "EX-34B" Is a HDD Kit For Lian-Li With A
120mm Fan & Filter (Black)
Specifications:
Capacity: 4 x HDD 3.5" HDD Kit
Fan & Filter: 1 x 120 x 120 mm Fan With HDD Filter
Color: Black Anodized Aluminum
Features: more info-> (http://www.lian-li.com/Product/Accessories/HDD_Kits.htm)

Hard Drives ? Internal Serial ATA-150 HDD?s

8 x Seagate SATA-150 NCQ HDD?s, Running Raid 0+1 (Raid 10)
Specifications:
Capacity: 250GB
Average Seek Time: 8 ms
Average Latency: 4.1ms
Buffer: 8MB
Rotational Speed: 7200 RPM
Interface: SATA-150
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=22-148-065)

Cables ? Round EIDE/Ultra Cables

2 x COOLER MASTER ROUND, 18-Inch, EIDE Ultra ATA133 Cable, 2
Connector (Black Transparent)
Length: 18 inches
Conductor: 30 AWG Cable Jacket, Jacket, PVC with Tinned
Copper Wire Braiding Boot, PVC 80, TTC-A18
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?submit=SUGGESTED&InnerManu=1333&bop=and&description=12-104&srchInDesc=Black)

Case Fans - Replacement Fans For ATX-Case, HDD, Heatsink & Power Supply

5 x Antec Pro 120 x 120 mm Transparent, Double Ball Bearing Case Fans
Specification:
Dimensions: 120 x 120 x 25.4 mm
Nominal Speed (RPM): 2000
Max Air Flow (CFM): 79
Noise(dBA): 29.8
Features: more info-> (http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?description=35-129-030)


:drool:

Sorry for the lengthy post...

[Dante]

Holy crap Choda! I think Malice wanted to build a personal computer, not a SUPER computer! :whoa:

[Malice]

Yum! Too bad that goes way out of my 2-3k price range :)

[MasterChoda]

Oh come on Malice, it only comes out to about 5 grand. I know that u can afford it on a Lockheed Martin salary of yours... If you?re working for Lockheed u need a super computer, it's our national security that we are talking about man...

[Malice]

Oh come on Malice, it only comes out to about 5 grand. I know that u can afford it on a Lockheed Martin salary of yours... If you?re working for Lockheed u need a super computer, it's our national security that we are talking about man...


Pfft...salary is decent but not THAT good. Besides, its actually a build for another guy here at work and he DOES make pretty good money. I especially liked the 8 HD's though. In my build that I did for him I only had 4 for the 0 + 1 but damn, you went crazy. And FX? Is that really necessary? I build it with a Dual Core cause he really wants that. He thinks he's a big multitasker. But thanks for the post though, it was nice and detailed. And that motherboard manuafacturer, you like them, DFI it was? I've heard of them but I dunno, I just get scared to try a new company. Like the big names that I'm used to, Asus, Abit etc.

[MasterChoda]

I hear yeah, just having fun with newegg, I love the way u can put together a config on their web site. It?s really nice for dreaming. The cool thing with newegg is they always have all the hardware you?re looking for, just for the configuration purposes not necessary to buy anything, although they usually have comparable prices to other web sites and I like there shipping rates. As for the CPU and Motherboard well? I was going to configure the system with a Athlon 64 x2 4600+ or 4800+ with that new core and .90nm die, I?m sure there killer for overclocking that new die is a lot cooler than the old 0.13nm. I need to read up more on how well they really do overclock, if there anything like the Athlon 64 3000+ .90nm. Anandtech was able to overclock that cpu to FX-55 speeds with killer memory and motherboard. I?m sure the FX-57 would be a good overclocker too it has a new core and the same die size. Which brings me to why I choose that DFI MB, a wicked MB for overclocking. I also like the MB lay out as well with the memory oriented at the top of the MB pushing the CPU towards the middle of the MB, it gives the CPU better air flow and better heatsink compatibility and the better air flow means cooler temps? which u guessed it, better for overclocking. I wished more MB mfg?s would go with this design. The CPU aligns more with the case?s exhaust fan or fans. I would have to say I do prefer going with quality MB like ASUS and others. And as some one said early on this post when it comes to quality components it truly does minimize hardware and compatibility issue. I guess to sum it up, I not a major overclocker there are many other solution to go with believe me I have paid the price for overclocking a system. (Which buy the way was an INTEL PIII 1GHz oc?ed to 1.13 @ 133Mghz on the FBS on a Abit 440-BX-II MB, 256 megs of Crucial mem with a GF2 Ultra, which was the only system that I ever blew up or had a issue with!) But if you?re looking for a little extra it all about the FPS?s baby, I would like the possibility if I need a little extra in the catorgy of FPS and I oc?ed it I would like a system that would be able handle it. A little overclocking never hurt any one? yeah baby! However I would and I do go with mfg?s that if I have had good luck with over the years, ASUS is always a top choice when I'm considering building a new system. ASUS has always made killer products and a great product when it comes to overclocking as well, they have always been a recommended buy.

All this talk makes me want to go out and buy a industry standard/topnotch system from Comp USA?. Just poking fun Rehn. ;-)

[Rehn]

All this talk makes me want to go out and buy a industry standard/topnotch system from Comp USA?. Just poking fun Rhen. ;-)


They all suck (Retail computers). . I just build BTO's, and Fix other machines. You guys can poke fun of Comp, but they are a stable company, we have solid profits. That?s all that matters. Just because I work at CompUSA doesn?t mean I am not making industry standard for payroll. ;)

[{OOE}Death]

They all suck (Retail computers). . I just build BTO's, and Fix other machines. You guys can poke fun of Comp, but they are a stable company, we have solid profits. That?s all that matters. Just because I work at CompUSA doesn?t mean I am not making industry standard for payroll. ;)

As long as you don't take it personal. We all are just messing around. except when we go after spawny. :p

[MasterChoda]

As long as you don't take it personal. We all are just messing around. except when we go after spawny. :p

Exactly, what {OOE}Death said. I really don?t care if my fellow {OOE} brothers or chicks (I don't know if we have a chick members?... any hoot.) like AMD or Intel and list goes on. What these forums/website/clan is all about having fun and especially talking smack, nothing more nothing less, oh and gaming of course. Rehn, ?It?s all good in hood? as someone would say who?s? in the HOOD. I will say this about COMP USA is defiantly the only place u can at least look at some aftermarket products/mod parts, best buy, circuit sh*ty? nada. And for get an local PC shop there the King of low grade parts (except for a few shops that have owners that know a thing or two about modified PCs). I though I would like to see more aftermarket products other that Thermal Take a lot of their stuff is TT, I?m just not a big fan of TT. And by the way if I haven?t said before, well I would like to say it now! I would like to give a big shout out to every one in {OOE} that makes this KILLER website possible. My complements and gratitude go out to u ya?ll and I?m defiantly proud to be a part of this fist rate Clan! {OOE} For Life!

[D-Bone]

Well, I think Rehn has been "hazed" by OOE enough to be an official member by now. :) What a great thread this has been. I would venture to say this is as close a true representation of OOE as it gets. Geeked out hardware talk mixed with shit talking and name calling. Its a beautiful thing.

Back on topic. Agreed, of the "big box" stores, CompUSA is probably the best one. The actually carry a good selection of parts. As for the local shops being the kings of low grade parts, I hear ya. Take our shop for example. I would love nothing more than to carry each and every part Choda mentioned in his uber config. The problem is, those parts are expensive for a small business to buy and we can in no way compete with online retail. Its tough for local mom and pop to survive selling that stuff. The average joe schmoe walking in here doesnt care about quality, only price. Well, since the average customer is too stupid to be educated on this stuff, we have to carry some crap. Ah well, I think I am starting to ramble...

Choda, the majority of your web site thanks goes to Dante. He is the man! Thanks for all your hard work all the time Dante! :cool:

[Dante]

:rr:

[Rehn]

I feel the love here. I can be in OOE now? Let me wipe this tear of joy.:thumb:

[D-Bone]

I feel the love here. I can be in OOE now? Let me wipe this tear of joy.:thumb:

Consider yourself a member. :) Feel free to wear the proud {OOE} tag anytime you like.

Welcome {OOE}Rehn!

[Dante]

Commence to the ceremonial flogging. Everything previous to this moment was just a test. :cool:

[Rehn]

YESSSS!:wave: :wave:

[{OOE}Death]

:nono: Not to rain on anybody's parade or anything.... Rehn can't be a full member until he's succesfully ragged on spawny.

[Rehn]

:nono: Not to rain on anybody's parade or anything.... Rehn can't be a full member until he's succesfully ragged on spawny.

Hmmm nothing comes to mind. Tell me some things about him.;)

[D-Bone]

He likes to surf gay goat porn at work.

Oh, he sucks at all FPS games.

Work with that.

[Rehn]

Eeew goat porn, Gay non the less. Eeew I bet he is into Goatze as well.

That's all I can come up with. :D

[Dante]

Eeew goat porn, Gay non the less. Eeew I bet he is into Goatze as well.

That's all I can come up with. :D
That's it?? We may have to put back on a probationary period if that's the best you can do.

And D-Bone is right, he sucks at FPS games which is the root of his name... Spawny. ;)

[{OOE}Death]

Look what I have started. :naughty:

[MasterChoda]

Welcome to the Order Of Evisceration Clan!!! So Rehn, when are u going to make it down for one of {OOE}?s Killer Gaming Sessions?.?.? :cool:

[Rehn]

Well I am heading to Denver CO. some time in Sept For a LITL bash. You are all more then welcome to come :) Then maybe some other time as well. ;)

[MasterChoda]

Nice...

[Malice]

OK, check this out. This is what I was planning on sending to my friends wife so she can buy it. Turns out we didn't have as much money to spend as we thought, had to keep it below 2k and not 3k. Therefore, we lost the dual core and got a lower clock speed, also removed a couple of hardrives and only 1GB RAM instead of 2. Take a look and make sure I'm not missing anything or if you have any real beefs with what is there (Brandwise or whatever). Thanks guys.

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1606912&WishListTitle=UNDER+%242K+GAMING

[Dante]

Oh man... I want that SATA DVD burner. :drool:

[D-Bone]

The only thing I would question is the burner, I didn't see any dual layer support on that thing. There is no reason NOT to get a DL DVD burner anymore.

[D-Bone]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827101642

Here's a BENQ drive for 75.99, and it even has lightscribe technology! Yeah, I know, "BENQ..." but they are getting some of the best reviews out there. If I needed a new drive, I would probably buy one of these. There is a newer model coming out, the DW1640 that Anandtech really likes but I don't see it available yet.

Also, you really going to order from Newegg? They seem to be more expensive lately...

[Malice]

Yeah, so silly me to think that the only SATA burner they have out there would support Dual Layer. Got an IDE one now that does it. Good catch D-Bone, cause you're right, no reason at all to buy a dvd burner that isn't DL. As far as New Egg goes...well since his wife is going to order it, it just seems simpler to have it all in a wish list, then she only needs to click add to cart and then pay for it. She's not very computer savy so perhaps a little more but shipping isn't bad. So I guess it'll probably be close to a wash or no more than 20 - 30 bucks overall difference and the conveinence will be much higher.

[D-Bone]

The old wish list link is not working now, can we get a new one? :)

[Malice]

Yeah, sorry, here.

http://secure.newegg.com/NewVersion/Wishlist/WishShareShow.asp?ID=1607089&WishListTitle=BEARDO%27S+COMPUTER

Oh yeah, and as it turns out, Newegg ended up being about 40 bucks cheaper than Mwave so I think it's pretty good overall price.

[D-Bone]

Looks sexy. Well done.

[Rehn]

Thanks Malice for bringing this up in LITL forums. :p

[Malice]

haha, it was too good to pass up, especially since they are battling it out over there, they can see all the good banter we had going on over here.

[Rehn]

Yeah no joke.. Ah good times. :doh: